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SaaS and the Hunter Farmer Debate

Posted by Trish Bertuzzi on Tue, Oct 20, 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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We recently wrote a post called SaaS and the Evolution of Inside Sales.  We got great feedback in the form of comments, but what I found most interesting was that so much of the dialogue focused on the challenge that arises from SaaS and that challenge centers on the hunter v. farmer model.

Here are some select comments:


Having been a VP of Sales for 5 years with a SaaS company and now a Founder of SaaS company I have found that two things to be true: 
 
1) People still buy from people and want to know who they are working with 
2) The line between inside sales and account management has become blurred. 
 
With a SaaS product I have seen that a inside sales person can make @ $10K sale via the phone and webex (I have not seen a higher sale without someone having to jump on a plane) but once that sale is made that same inside sales person then becomes the account manager also. 
 
The customer only wants to "deal" with the same person who sold them the product. As most SaaS sales are a subscription, account management becomes critical. The SaaS model falls apart if the renewal dip below say 85%.
 
So, while you may be able to make the sale inside, you will eventually have to have some kind of field team continually building and strengthening customer relationships

posted @ Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:19 AM by Jonathan


A little personal rant, I have purchased a few SaaS offerings, and I have to tell you that it is very frustrating how little attention I received after the purchase is completed. I want my insides sales rep/account manager to care about me after I sign that contract and pay my bill. Don't assume I am going to sign a contract for year 2 if you treat me so poorly. I have 2 contracts due this month and I have had the rep forget to call me at a time that we scheduled, assume that an email is enough information, and arrogantly assume I am going to sign up because you did all this. Better processes are needed, better coaching is required - I will not buy from a robot but a respectful person on the other end of the phone. Rant over. ; )

posted @ Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:41 AM by Noreen Vincent


I would add that SaaS is beneficial to buyers in that their risk is reduced by only renting for a short period of time (typically a year) and that this puts pressure on vendors to bend over backwards for buyers to encourage renewals. 
 

posted @ Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:43 AM by Robert Lesser, Direct Impact Marketing


Good point about the blur between SaaS inside sales and account management. With many SaaS products, as opposed to being locked in, customers pay as they go. This makes account management, as you cite, very critical. The relationship needs to be continually nurtured to maintain the existing subscriptions and grow ("farm") subscriptions from within. The hand-off can be a tough one; when clients get used to talking to one person, they want to continue that. We have similar blurring going on between inside sales and support.

posted @ Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:57 AM by Shawn


So, it appears customers don't see us as hunters and/or farmers they see us as suppliers.  I came across this quote from Sam Walton the founder of Wal-Mart.

There is only one boss. The customer. And he can fire everybody in the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money somewhere else.

So, with all of our talk about buyer centricity, when we segment hunters and farmers are we shooting ourselves in the foot by not giving the customer what they want?

And, if we don't segment the model, do we eventually turn our hunters into farmers and what does that do to our growth strategy?

This is a complex issue so I would love to hear your feedback.  I'll post again with what we find.  Thanks for listening and sharing.

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Ask The Experts - Creating Territories

Posted by Trish Bertuzzi on Thu, Oct 01, 2009 @ 12:44 PM
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(This post is part or our ongoing series of Ask the Experts questions, please share your thoughts and experiences by posting comments!)

Keith Nealon, VP of Worldwide Sales for Conductor has a question he would like to pose to Inside Sales practitioners.

Background:

Keith's team is comprised of Demand Generation Reps that are responsible for setting meetings for a primarily Inside Sales force, with a small field sales force.

Question:

I'm interested in thoughts on innovative ways to setup territories (besides the usual geo, vertical, revenue splits) when you have a constantly growing (therefore resizing) Inside Sales team.

Does anybody have some ideas that are unusual and/or different and have created solid results? (e.g. example setting up a model based on first come first serve for new leads to the lead queue)

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SaaS and the Evolution of Inside Sales

Posted by Trish Bertuzzi on Wed, Sep 23, 2009 @ 07:06 AM
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In the olden days

It used to be that selling software was always an Enterprise deal that required Enterprise activities. You needed to develop relationships with multiple buyers, educate them on your value proposition, demonstrate technical expertise and show them that changing the way they did business was a good thing. A lot of those activities required face time so you had to be onsite with the prospect developing that relationship of trust.
 

Along came SaaS

It is not so much that software-as-a-service (SaaS) has changed how we sell - as how it has dramatically lowered the barrier to buy. Enterprise and on-premise deals that require a more traditional sales model are not going anywhere - no matter how much hype you hear to the contrary. But, the movement towards SaaS does dictate an evolved selling model.
 

What are some of the factors impacting the evolution?

The New Buyer Role
According to SiriusDecisions, buyers are more informed and seek information independent of sales. The amount of information (product, competitor, user, etc.) now available allows Buyers to self-educate like never before. Just like in our personal lives, people are more comfortable using the phone and web to gather the information that allows them to make decisions and engage with sellers much more freely.

Fewer Barriers to Entry
Price points have fallen and the month-to-month mentality in much of SaaS makes Buyers much more comfortable with making a purchasing decision. Additionally, many companies now allow Buyers to trial their solutions. As a matter of fact, some have built their entire Sales & Marketing strategy around pushing demos and trials into the market.

Their sales model is formulaic: x number of trials will convert at y% with a z price point - resulting in a revenue stream of xyz. They have figured out their "formula" and now their key to success lies in executing flawlessly.
 

Inside Sales is now a "career"

Sirius Decisions just released a note on the topic of Inside Sales and growth strategies for 2010. They argue:

As sales leaders look beyond the missed revenue targets, headcount reductions and budget cuts that typified the sub-prime recession of 2008-9, they need to consider further expanding the role of inside sales as they adapt their organization to capitalize on the next growth cycle."

Sales leaders evaluating their coverage model need to consider three inside sales realities:

  • Inside sales will grow as a percent of total revenue
  • Inside sales can handle larger/ more complex accounts
  • Inside sales can sell more complex products/solution with higher ASPs
     

The reality is that although Field Sales is never going to go away, our Buyers no longer need as much face time with us. They do much of their own research, communicate with us via a non-traditional methods (blogs, LinkedIn, webinars, etc.) and are as time and resource constrained as we are.

Inside Sales is a viable strategy (whether or not your company offers SaaS) you just have to figure out your "formula".

I plan to share some additional thoughts about SaaS companies implementing Inside Sales in the future. Stay tuned and share your thoughts please!

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