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Posted by Matt Bertuzzi on Wed, Jun 02, 2010 @ 07:48 AM
Recently I ran across a discussion on LinkedIn "What advice would you give this sales manager about customer contact?" (note: the discussion is behind a LinkedIn group gate). In it, an email is shared that a Manager sent to their team. It reads:
Subject: Call your customers Team,
This is a great time to call back your customers. Many of you have not called all your customers for a while.
Just call and check with them how they are doing. It goes a long way in helping you get additional business.
One of the commenters offered the following advice:
If the issue is customer contact ... no you shouldn't just "check in" and see how they are doing.
Have a purpose and an objective. Have a prepared opening statement that will pique their client to want to continue the conversation.
This advice reminded me of a truly excellent whitepaper follow-up email I received a few weeks back. The email so impressed me that I immediately shared it with my team as an example of what to do.
Since Trish recently shared The Worst Sales Email EVER, I wanted to put up this email as its direct antithesis.
What I liked
- A Reference and link to the specific item that interested me
Far too often, Inside Sales Reps will make passing mention of "the whitepaper you downloaded". By being specific, it shows that the Rep is tuned in to the topic that originally got my attention and make the email instantly relevant to me.
- A conclusion based on the report
Better than a reference to the item I downloaded, Reps can share their impression, or a notable conclusion, from it. While not requiring profound analysis, these comments will set Reps apart in that they aren't simply "following up," but have some insight into why I would have downloaded the report in the first place.
- It offered addtional value
I particularly like that (at right) another related and relevant piece of content is offered to me. This isn't simply the next webinar or latest download piece, but a complimentary report to what I already responded to.
- It sells the conversation
I've shared my thoughts on that topic before. I appreciate the way that the Rep gives me the option to raise my hand and say "You know what? You seem like you might get what is is I do here. Let's talk."
So what's the takeaway?
I ran across this article from Ardath Albee Staying Top of Mind is Not the Goal for Email Marketing. To re-work her conclusion (bold being my words):
In essence, checking in must become selling the conversation. Checking in is tactical. Selling the conversation is strategic. It's a different mindset. The process of selling the conversation helps companies focus on prospects, instead of on themselves. And that's what matters to your buyers.
I am very interested in your thoughts. Please feel free to share.
Posted by Trish Bertuzzi on Thu, Apr 15, 2010 @ 07:12 AM
OneSource recently conducted the first in a series of B2B SalesPulse surveys. They were kind enough to share a preliminary look at their data with me. What I found most interesting was the divergence of opinion between what is being talked about as best practices around developing pipeline in the "blog/twitter sphere" and what the "feet on the street" think about the same practices.
Let me give you a specific example from the OneSource data:
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From which sources do you get the most qualified opportunities? (1=Least, 5-Most)
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Channel
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Outbound Prospecting
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3.7
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Website
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2.9
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Inbound Calls
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2.6
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Email Campaigns
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2.6
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Events & Tradeshows
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2.5
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Social Networking Sites
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2.1
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Direct Mail
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2.1
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Webinars
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1.8
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Here is what I found interesting about this data set:
- Outbound Prospecting is ranked 1st.
Every day I read about how outbound prospecting is dead. Now personally I believe an intelligent combination (with both inbound & outbound strategies) is the way to go, but I am just telling you what I read. It data suggest that Sales Organizations are in agreement with me.
- Inbound calls and email campaigns are tied for 3rd.
This suggests to me that a prospect who picks up the phone and calls is not necessarily, in the long run, any more qualified than someone who responds to an email campaign.
- Events and tradeshows sit pretty much in the middle of the pack.
I expected this category would have had its butt kicked by Social Networking Sites, but I guess not yet.
- Webinars are ranked as the lowest source of Opportunities.
Let me see... how many invitations to webinars do I receive on a daily basis? Answer: dozens. If Sales Organizations don't consider them a good source of leads, why are we doing them? Is this scenario yet another case of confusing "activity" with "opportunity"?
So, what is up with this data? Are we so busy talking to each other about the newest trends that we are forgetting to have real conversations with the people who actually live and die by the pipeline sword? I know that we all track the data in our CRM. Leadsource is tied to every Opportunity and the debate rages on around "how many leads does it take to change a light bulb". But, there is perception and there is reality - so maybe we need to ask the feet on the street (or on the phone as the case may be). So c'mon Sales Guys. Give us your take:
PS - If you are an inbound marketing, email marketing or marketing automation vendor.... we get it.... We'd like to hear from just regular old sales people who are out there pounding the pavement and/or the phones.
Posted by Trish Bertuzzi on Thu, Apr 01, 2010 @ 06:57 AM
In January we posted the first part of our conversation with Linda Duchin, VP of Marketing from PowerSteering Software - Are Marketers Becoming Enablers. Shame on me for taking this long to get the 2nd half of the conversation out there! Make sure to check out the comments as well! As a refresher, we were discussing:
- Is Marketing being forced to assume too much of the sales process?
- Are pipelines at risk because our Sales people are waiting for perfection as opposed to getting out there and converting interest to opportunity?
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Linda, I have a two- part question for you. It seems to me that many sales people are no longer responsible for talking with prospects in the earliest stages of the sales process. Do you think we have made a mistake in only delivering to them those that pass BANT?
Second part of the question which is related, marketing budgets are shrinking and yet Marketers are taking over more and more ownership of the sales process - are we getting process creep?
Well, I agree with the second part of your question, but not necessarily the first part. I don't want my Sales people talking to just anybody. It really is Marketing's job to do some filtering. For example, if an opportunity is too small and there is no way they can afford our product, I don't want to waste sales time on those prospects especially when their time can be better spent closing business this quarter.
I agree with the premise of getting Sales focused on the most qualified opportunities that have the highest probability of advancing through the sale process. But, Sales also needs to take a longer view and continually be contributing to their own pipeline. Like a financial portfolio, they need to have a diversified sales pipeline with opportunities at various stages of the sales cycle that will close next quarter and then the quarter after that.
How do you see marketing automation playing into this scenario? At some level I almost feel like the vendors are driving this movement. What are your thoughts?
I recently read an interview with Laura Ramos of Forrester on the marketing automation space and she commented on how the proliferation of new players entering on a daily basis has already led to some market consolidation. But the larger issue to adoption is that there really aren't established best practices on how to drive measurable results because there is so little experience. In fact just this week we participated in a webcast with Forrester on the topic of lead nurturing and it was apparent that most of the B2B marketers are really just getting started with it.
So let me give you a for instance: Marketing goes through all time, effort & energy of developing a lead - right company, right guy, right pain and hands it over to Sales.
Sales calls him twice, leaves two messages, moves on and shifts the lead back to Marketing for nurturing. Does Marketing now own the responsibility for re-engaging that prospect even though they had already raised their hand once?
Yes! If Sales doesn't have the bandwidth or the time to devote adequate follow up, it is better that a prospect re-enters a nurture flow than being neglected altogether. But I do see the threat here, again, of contributing to the enablement issue.
Actually, I look at the objective of lead nurturing as more upstream than your example. We have a notion of pre-leads: we acquire a list or attend a trade show but don't speak to a number of attendees. They might be the right contact at the right company but haven't yet expressed an interest or responded to us.
So we put those cold contacts into a pre-lead nurture flow with the goal of warming them up to the point where it is worthwhile for Inside Sales to work them. So we are replicating the same sort of qualification processes that we've historically done for Sales and shifting it upstream for Inside Sales.
This nurturing process should be Marketing's responsibility to oversee and monitor. We're in a highly competitive market with a long sales cycle, so we don't always catch a prospect when they have budget or an identified need. And with so much competitive information so accessible on the web, we need to stay top of mind with these "suspects" or they'll easily buy from a competitor. Let's say you've attended a webcast and were interested in the topic, but weren't really in a position to engage with Sales. Inside Sales has tried to entice you for two months without success, so now we'll put you in an automated nurture campaign until you respond and score enough points that it's worthwhile for a sales rep to reach out again.
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So, what is the right answer? I like this comment that Scott Mersy of Genius.com contributed to the first part of this post:
Great discussion! To me, the bottom line is not that sales & marketing are converging but that marketers are rightly being held responsible for proving the contribution of marketing to revenue. "Sales-ready" leads, lead scoring, and other terms are simply tools to assist in measuring marketing results. If the systems and processes are too rigid so that leads get silo-ed away and hidden from a Rep until some magical formula is reached, that's the wrong approach.
What do you think? What process are you using to ensure that leads get to the right resource at the right time?
Posted by Trish Bertuzzi on Tue, Nov 24, 2009 @ 06:54 AM
This is a guest post by Craig Rosenberg of The Funnelholic. You can find Craig on twitter at @funnelholic.
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Most B2B marketers don't always realize that the initial follow up on your leads can make or break your conversion rate and ultimately your ROI. The B2B marketers that do realize this have adjusted - they either own lead qualification, work extensively with the sales-lead lead-qualification team or outsource to a tele-vendor who qualifies leads before they pass them to the sales-lead lead-qual group. Just generating leads or managing CPL, and so on means nothing if you aren't optimized for what happens after you generate the lead.
So, as a person who has been providing leads to organizations for 10 years, I can say I have heard them all. Not just from the person on the phone following up, but from the marketers who gather feedback from sales. This "feedback" is from the front line of leads. If this is the feedback you are getting, sometimes fixing the follow-up first makes all the difference. Remember, if Sirius Decisions is right, 80 percent of the leads that sales disqualifies end up buying within 24 months. So those leads that "suck" many not be that bad after all.
Before I go on, I do want to say one thing I have learned: many times all "frontline" objections are solved by three things:
- Being clear about what the goal is of the call. In most cases, its two-fold: Figure out whether you should keep talking (score) and, if so, get them to the next step in the sales process (demonstration, appointment, and so on). This is where follow-up fails: Lead-qual reps think their job is to sell the product (bad call), figure out if they have read the whitepaper (hilarious). Every objection can be answered by the question "Are you the person involved in ...?" Seriously.
- Training and management - repeat after me: training and management.
- Marketing automation and lead nurturing.
So, here they are the 6 common, but easy to overcome, yet honestly, completely annoying pieces of feedback you receive on leads*:
- "They don't remember downloading the whitepaper":
Yes, I know. Since the advent of online whitepaper syndication, it has been the new buyer objection. Suckers get derailed from this objection. Seriously, why do you care? YOU know they did, so leverage that knowledge to keep on fighting. How about, "no problem, are you in charge of...?"
- "They won't call me back":
That's right, because buyers (even when buying) can't wait to call back someone so they can be subjected to BANT qualifying questions. Don't just leave "checking in and seeing if you have any questions" voicemails of the early 90s. The buyer's job is to NOT call you back or email you back (even when they LIKE you). Winning organizations have the following:
- Coordinated call/email campaigns designed to get people to connect.
- Outbound dialing service like Connect and Sell www.connectandsell.com
- An understanding that not everyone will answer their phones in 3 weeks, so nurture.
- "They don't know who we are":
Now this one CAN be solved to an extent with the lead sources that you are using, but again, is that the ultimate opening question? Who are you? Don't mind if I do.
- "They don't have a project":
Sorry that they don't have a project today, but seeing as this is the right person who is requesting information about your market, you may want to talk to them. Just to note, from our marketing programs at Tippit, we have one simple lead definition, "Right Person, Right Interest." We will pay for that. We know over time, they will buy. Just get us started.
- "They aren't the decision maker":
I know, I know, you need to talk to the CEO or VP. Well, they aren't going to download things on the Internet. I understand why we need to get to the C-suite at some point, but that's not going to happen with industrial grade, lead-generation machinery. Particularly with companies that want to do LOTS of business. If you want to hit the C-suite, put together a VITO campaign leveraging execs, make sure you have experienced outbound callers on the project and be happy with a couple leads. But don't expect your lead machine to punch out CEO's.
- "They have a project but...":
You can't have it both ways from lead gen. The perfect project ready to buy in one month with no warts attached is just NOT going to happen. If you do get projects, be happy you did. These are still leads. Here are some of my favorites:
- "They fit our employee parameters, but they only want a small amount of licenses"
- "They are already down the road"
Note: This is primarily related to leads and inquiries, depending on what you call them (not BANT scored).
*This "feedback" means there is a problem with expectation setting, process, and so on and can always be made to go away.
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Posted by Matt Bertuzzi on Tue, Nov 17, 2009 @ 06:59 AM
Stop me if you've heard this one, but 2009 was unlike any other year in B2B Marketing & Sales.
Rather than focus exclusively on the why's & how's of what went wrong, I've given a lot of thought recently to what I learned from 2009. I thought it would be interesting to ask a few B2B Marketing Leaders their take on the following question:
What was the best decision you made in 2009?
Here's a slideshare with their responses...
In case you're interested, here's my take.
Have fun. Try things. Measure & repeat. If I learned one thing from 2009 it's that doing the safe thing is often the riskiest approach.
The companies that inspired me this year were human (they seemed to be having fun). They mixed it up (they had the Hollywood mindset - not every picture will be a blockbuster). They measured early, often & doubled down on winning ideas (they got in front of the ideas that spread and gave them support - on the flip side, they ID'd the dogs and killed them early). A big thank you for participating goes out to:
How would you answer? What was the best decision you made in 2009?
Posted by Matt Bertuzzi on Fri, Nov 06, 2009 @ 06:54 AM
On this day in 1989, American professional football (aka "soccer player") Jozy Altodore was born. Wait, people born in 1989 are professional anythings? Scary!
Now onto our B2B Friday thoughts!
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B2B Thought #1: Don't forget the Golden Question
Every day I talk to Marketers struggling with the modern lead management dilmena: "When should I pass a lead as sales-ready?" Unfortunately, the 3 most common practices I encounter are:
- Firehose
- Trickle
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- Alternating firehose & trickle
Then I ran into this post by Dale Underwood that really got me thinking: Before Nurturing a New B2B Lead, Ask the Golden Question. Dale argues that the "only thing worse than sending a non-qualified lead to sales is not passing one and finding out 6 months later that the lead turned into a customer...for your competition."
To make sure that doesn't happen, Dale shares this example of the golden question:
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Mr./Ms., My name is YYY and I approved your request for ZZZ. This is a courtesy follow-up to make sure you received it. If you have not received it, please check your spam filter.
May I ask you one question? Have you defined the requirements for your XYZ project, or no? For future reference, we have compiled a "Top 20 Customer Requirements List" from our customers and would be happy to share it with you.
Thank you for your interest in WWW.
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Matt here: I really love this approach.
- First, it's personalized. It's a message from an actual person, who I can call or reply to.
- Second, it makes sure I received what I requested. I am sure we all think our sites are perfectly designed for the visitor, but let's face it - requested item fullfillment is never as easy for a first time visitor as we imagine.
- Third, it promises an additional piece of highly valuable content that should interest me IF I'm a serious buyer. But, I have to reach out to the Rep and begin a dialogue to receive it.
- Fourth (golden question time), think of this as the lead management trump card. If "yes," nothing else matters - the lead goes to Sales- period.
Am I crazy to think a single question can trump the mighty scoring model? Please let me know if you are using anything similar in your organizations.
B2B Thought #2: Persistence & Process
Garth over at the Jigsaw blog had a post this week on Persistence. It's a great read with funny tidbits about persistence being the key to success. Here's an excerpt:
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It sounds so annoyingly simple, but persistence is the only trait that I have seen common in all successful people- from salespeople to CEOs to founders of companies.
When it comes to sales, I'm not talking about a penchant for annoying and aggressive communications. Nothing is more pathetic than a sales guy who tries to talk someone into something. Don't put that idiot pan on your head and repeatedly slam yourself into a brick wall by ignoring it when a specific individual tells you "no." But do make sure you that you have exhausted all other avenues and connections, and that you have in fact been given a "no" for good |
Debbie here: I could not agree more that persistence is a key selling trait. I'll add to that with the need for a rock solid sales process behind it. So you aren't "stalking" your prospect by leaving a voicemail every day or WORSE not leaving one at all (the phantom caller ID trail).
I believe in a 4x4 calling methodology:
Put "4" contacts from a target companies through a "4" touch process - all within 10 business days. Hey, if you don't have a sense of urgency why should your prospect? If you don't connect, make sure you kick them into your company's nurture strategy.
Persistence & process - far from magic, but it gives you something that is repeatable and measurable.
Think about the most successful sales people you know, are they persistent? Do they have a solid process?
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Posted by Matt Bertuzzi on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 @ 08:32 AM
The question of whether or not to leave a voicemail in prospecting efforts is a very hot topic right now. There was an excellent discussion at Focus on Does anyone leave voicemails anymore? which I recommend you take a look at.
Now, I've already shared a little rant on what not to do when leaving voicemails: Do Your Team's Voicemails Sell the Conversation? But more importantly, if probably less buzz-worthy, I wanted to share a recent example of someone who did it right.
I receive a fair amount of cold calls and almost never pick up my phone for an unfamiliar / blocked number. I do, however, listen to my messages up to the point that the seller loses my interest. But the other day, I received a voicemail that held my interest and really sold the conversation. The seller addressed two hugely important things for me within the 1st 10 seconds:
- Why me?
Of all the people you could be calling, what makes me so perfect for your solution?
How did he do that? He told me, upfront, that his solution was for B2B Marketers who use Salesforce.com and care about lead management. I thought: I am. We do. And I do.
- Why me now?
With everything else I have on my to-do list, why is now the time to listen to what you have to say?
So how did he do that? He quoted me a MarketingSherpa stat (this is my rough recollection) that only 35% of B2B Marketers were using a tool for xyz. But those that did, saw a 125% increase in their abc conversions.
So what did I, the buyer, hear?
If only 35% of all B2B Marketer are doing this, I can stay ahead of the noise out there and make sure my messaging is really being heard. 125% increase in conversions?! Let me take a look at Salesforce.com metrics now and see where that would put us from a revenue perspective with this tool.
If you'll allow me, I want to share a quick story about Why You? / Why You Now? (WY? WYN?). First off, it's not my concept. Somewhere in '04 / '05 I took a sales training class with Jeff Hoffman from Basho Strategies. He introduced me to WY? WYN? And it's something I have thought about weekly for the better part of the last 5 years. Talk about sales training with legs!
The strategy is simple - outbound messaging must revolve around that fact that buyers don't care what you have to say unless you answer for them directly and up-front Why Me? / Why Me Now?
I would love to hear your thoughts? What do you think of WY? WYN? How does your team deliver outbound messaging that get prospects to move?
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Posted by Trish Bertuzzi on Fri, Oct 02, 2009 @ 11:36 AM
Welcome to the 4th Quarter. Or as IDC's Lee Levitt put it "the most important quarter of the decade." Now onto today's B2B thought.
B2B Thought: Addressing the Definition of a "Lead"
I participated in a conversation over at Robert Lesser's blog on An Identity Crisis for the Sales Lead. Here is Robert's premise:
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Do you find it startling that many sales and marketing teams still cannot agree on the definition of a sales lead?
The irony of course, is that the deliverable for sales is crystal clear - the sale. The contract is signed and the PO received. The heavy lifting from sales is finished and that of accounts receivable begins.
But for marketing, whose key deliverable is often the qualified lead, the picture is confusing: the definition of a sales lead can be all over the map. Is a lead an appointment a qualified lead(or both)? Is a lead an inquiry, a trade show visitor, a webinar registrant, a downloader of a white paper or a referral? |
Good question and one that organizations ask themselves on a regular basis!
Here is how I responded:
Let me add a twist. Lead definitions are fluid. Sometimes sales cares more about "activity" and other times more about "opportunity".
"Activity" based lead definitions often occur when you have just introduced a new product and need to talk to anyone and everyone. Or, when you have a significant number of new sales reps and need to get them out there talking to prospects as quickly as possible.
"Opportunity" based lead definitions often occur when you have a mature and stable product and sales organization that want well qualified leads that have true potential.
I agree with Brian Carroll when he talks about the need for sales and marketing to have consistent huddles to discuss this topic because the requirements of sales are often fluid and they need to communicate that effectively to and with marketing.
So, what do you think and how do you address lead definition in your organization?
Posted by Matt Bertuzzi on Fri, Sep 18, 2009 @ 08:53 AM
On this day in 1837, Tiffany & Co. was born. Here's a Seth Godin (not word for word) insight about those light blue box-ers:
Tiffany's gives the jewelry away for free. It's the box that costs money. Because the box is all the person getting the thing talks about. They say "I can't believe you cared enough to spend 3-4x as much."
B2B Thought #1: It's not them it's us
In Is Your Follow-up Communication Guilty of Prospecticide?, Paul McCord discusses how follow-up communications teach prospects to either value us as an attention-worthy resource or train them to avoid us as self-interested timewasters. Paul argues that:
| Prospects don't have their calls screened, ignore voice mail messages and e-mails, and throw written correspondence in the trash without reading it to be rude. They do these things because they have been taught by salespeople that answering and returning calls and reading the material salespeople send have no value. Salespeople have taught them to avoid salespeople at all costs.
Does that mean you can't communicate with your prospects?
Certainly, you can. However, your first job is to teach your prospect that you, unlike other salespeople, value of their time; and that when you call, when you send an e-mail, when you request a return call, when you send a letter or package, it adds value for the prospect and that spending a few minutes speaking with you or reading your communications is worth the time spent. |
Matt here: This one really got me thinking. Lead generation is a contact sport. When we expend huge effort and dollars to drive inquiries, are we subsequently shooting ourselves in the foot on follow-up?
I am really interested what you think!
B2B Thought #2: Is relationship sales an oxymoron?
The post “A Random Walk Up Sales Street – 12” by Tibor Shanto caught my attention this week. Tibor and his friend Trevor (also a Sales guy) were discussing the real goal of selling activity:
| Which brings up an interesting question, what should a seller aspire to, winning a deal or winning a client, are the two compatible or mutually exclusive? Trevor felt that the two are not mutually exclusive, but if he had to choose he would take the deal. As he tells it, much of the relationship talk in his estimate is just political correctness creeping into sales. There are a lot of different sayings in sales, and they all serve a purpose, but they also tend to be contradictory. For example, he referred to the common notion that incentives drive behaviour, “if my company wanted me to have relationships, they’d pay me for that, but they pay me for solid orders that can be invoiced. |
Debbie here: Can “building the relationship” and “winning the deal” go hand in hand? Trevor makes an excellent point that he is paid to make sales, not relationships.
What’s your viewpoint?
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Posted by Matt Bertuzzi on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 @ 06:47 AM
I was just catching up on some blogs & tweets from last week's Sales 2.0 Conference in Chicago. At the conference, Lee Levitt of IDC's Sales Advisory Practice, stated, "The 4th Quarter of 2009 is the most important quarter of the decade." Wow - no pressure!
There is and will continue to be significant discussion about Sales 2.0 (and its implications), the new sales economy and how much selling has changed. But, it is not just the science of selling that has changed but also the basic art of prospecting.
Now for the four of you who know me well and read this blog (Hi Nana!), you know I love backpacking, hiking & camping. So I thought I might share a simple (if not perfect) analogy: taking a walk.
Back in the day
A quick Google search tells me that humans take around 780k steps a year. Now let's say prospecting is like a familiar walk around a favorite park. We are on auto-pilot. Our journey doesn't take significant levels of active thought as we've done this literally hundreds of times before. We start our walk and the end result holds no surprises.
Today
Now let's say its mid-January in New England. That familiar trail is now covered in ice & snow. That favorite walk is a lot more complicated and requires more preparation and much more active attention. If you are not prepared for the conditions, you can end up on your rear wondering what happened to the lovely walk you envisioned.
This is the reality of prospecting today. Buyers are smarter, they can find out as much about you as you can about them. You can't just go sail out the door unprepared and expect to not lose your footing. Did you ever hang up after a prospect call and think "Well, that didn't go as well as I thought it would"?
Does this mean we should proclaim "taking a walk is scary and to be avoided at all costs"? Of course not!
But what we might do is to apply new tools to this challenge: trekking poles, show shoes, winter boots, crampons, etc. to regain effectiveness and ensure we stay on our feet.
This is the fundamental reality of prospecting 2.0.
On a related note, Trish is participating in a live webinar on Prospecting 2.0 on September 23rd. She and the panel will be discussing addressing this new reality and sharing insight on applying the appropriate tools to improve prospecting effectiveness.
The Details:
Prospecting 2.0: Bridging the Sales & Marketing Chasm Date: September 23, 2009 Time: 2PM Eastern, 11AM Pacific
Featured Speakers: Lorri Freifeld, Editor of Sales and Marketing Trish Bertuzzi, President, The Bridge Group, Inc. David Fitzgerald, EVP, Sales and Marketing Services, Brainshark
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So join the webinar and learn how to get ready for the most important quarter of the decade!
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